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Female Privilege list.
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 gammerus
1 month ago
« Moe : Well as broken as it may be, pretty much every single item on the list is reality where I come from - i.e. I have had or seen personal examples of how these are not true for me as a man or a male I know.

I've been questioned by well meaning people who were apparently patrolling the public parks on their own as to why I was standing in front of the jungle gym with no obvious kid in tow. You have no idea how much it took to not tell the little old ladies that I was trolling just to see what would happen. But as my kid was on the jungle gym at the time, I didn't want to have them dropped in the middle of it all.
It is a shame that a few bad guys make it hard for everyone else.

When I was a wee toddler my parents managed an apartment complex.
One lady didn't feel like paying her rent, so she threatened to call the police and tell them that my dad was molesting us. We were fortunate that nothing came of it, but is is a scary idea. My dad would never have done that, and he has put himself in harms way to protect other children at the complex. But because of our constant state of paranoi it is unlikely he would have been considered innocent until proven guilty.
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 maven
1 month ago
But that doesn't really mean they're true for all women, or even the majority of women.

As a married woman without children, I assure you, I am looked at with suspicion around children.

And I won't even get into the truth of the physical/dress issues that 'most' women don't have to deal with but I do simply because of my height.
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 zebulor
1 month ago
If both violent assault and sexual assault were to be calculated into the same statistic, then would men or women be attacked more by that measure?

Where do you people get the statistics pertaining to this?
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 blurmore
1 month ago
As the husband of a "radical feminist" (by definition) I'm so over many of these "privileges". The list in parts almost seemed to be written by a jealous man. Alas, I have a couple to add.

"As a woman I can comment aesthetically on another woman's appearance, and sexual attractiveness and not be accused of being gay."

"It is perfectly normal for us to all go to the bathroom in a herd, and we talk in there."

"As a woman, society can accept that I am truly bisexual, as opposed to being a gay who occasionally goes straight"
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 gammerus
1 month ago
« blurmore : The list in parts almost seemed to be written by a jealous man.
There are men who aren't jealous of women?
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 Jerry520
1 month ago
« gammerus : There are men who aren't jealous of women?
Yep. I'm not jealous of women...or anyone, really. I like who I am, and I wouldn't want to change it.
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 KerOBero...
1 month ago
« lynxears : I don't think that so much rains on the parade as adds another banner.
Bulls**t!

You want to be equal with men? Do equal work for equal pay and you will get it...

Money talks and Bulls**t walks...
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 dingbat
1 month ago
They say "A woman's work is never done"














Probably why they don't get paid as much.





(ducks)
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 nikneven
1 month ago
« KerOBeroS32 :
And not to rain on the Feminist parade, but unless salaries are equalized, there will never be 'Equality of the Sexes'
I don't need someone else to equalize my salary for me, thank you very much. There is a law in place that protects me from being paid less simply because I am a woman. The rest is up to me.

Women generally make less money because we ask for less. We don't usually lobby for raises or promotions, and we usually seriously undervalue ourselves in salary negotiations.

And that is a woman's issue. Something we need to fix for ourselves. It's really not fair to cry for equality, and then ask someone else to fix it for us so we don't have to work as hard for our raises.
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 KerOBero...
1 month ago
« nikneven : I don't need someone else to equalize my salary for me, thank you very much. There is a law in place that protects me from being paid less simply because I am a woman. The rest is up to me.

Women generally make less money because we ask for less. We don't usually lobby for raises or promotions, and we usually seriously undervalue ourselves in salary negotiations.

And that is a woman's issue. Something we need to fix for ourselves. It's really not fair to cry for equality, and then ask someone else to fix it for us so we don't have to work as hard for our raises.
I know several Female VPs who would disagree...
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 nikneven
1 month ago
« KerOBeroS32 : I know several Female VPs who would disagree...
If they feel they are being paid less because they are a woman, then they should seek legal aid. Otherwise, they should do something about it themselves. The law is in place. The rest is up to us, not some magical entity we think should fix it for us.
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 zebulor
1 month ago
« KerOBeroS32 : I know several Female VPs who would disagree...
So you are saying that feminists should demand some sort of affirmative-action-like policy in regard to salaries?
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 KerOBero...
1 month ago
« nikneven : If they feel they are being paid less because they are a woman, then they should seek legal aid. Otherwise, they should do something about it themselves. The law is in place. The rest is up to us, not some magical entity we think should fix it for us.
« zebulor : So you are saying that feminists should demand some sort of affirmative-action-like policy in regard to salaries?
All I am saying is that there will never be equality of the sexes if the financials are not equalized. A Female VP should earn the SAME as a Male VP for doing the same job.

That is all I am saying.
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 zebulor
1 month ago
« KerOBeroS32 : All I am saying is that there will never be equality of the sexes if the financials are not equalized. A Female VP should earn the SAME as a Male VP for doing the same job.

That is all I am saying.
The verb 'equalized' implies an 'equalizer' like maybe the government. So what are you really saying?
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 KerOBero...
1 month ago
« zebulor : The verb 'equalized' implies an 'equalizer' like maybe the government. So what are you really saying?
Not JUST the government, corporations have that power as well...
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 nikneven
1 month ago
« KerOBeroS32 : All I am saying is that there will never be equality of the sexes if the financials are not equalized. A Female VP should earn the SAME as a Male VP for doing the same job.

That is all I am saying.
But 2 men in the same position will be earning different pay as well. Unless you totally have government regulated salaries, this is not feasible, or desirable.
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 lynxears
1 month ago
« zebulor : The verb 'equalized' implies an 'equalizer' like maybe the government. So what are you really saying?
There are already laws in place for that, but it's very difficult to enforce. Change a job description slightly, or encourage something as an "unofficial" duty, ta-da different job, different pay is legitimate.

It's compounded because most employers keep their pay rates secret as common practice.

What I think Kero is saying is the reality should be the same as the ideal.
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 KerOBero...
1 month ago
« nikneven : But 2 men in the same position will be earning different pay as well. Unless you totally have government regulated salaries, this is not feasible, or desirable.
How is this not desirable?
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 blurmore
1 month ago
My wife works in a small firm, the owner of the company is a Male, his second is female, the senior account exec is a Male, and the 3 jr account execs are females...Why? Because payroll is less. Its a fact whether people want to admit it or not, women make less than men who do the same job and have the same experience.

I'm glad I work in a creative job, where women and men make pretty much the same, pay is determined largely by talent alone, and in some instances women actually have an advantage in the job. I'm not sure I could stomach knowing that a woman I was working side by side with was getting gypped.
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 nikneven
1 month ago
« KerOBeroS32 : How is this not desirable?
Because I want the ability to fight for more money. I don't want my salary set for me and everyone else that does the same job. The better I am at my job, the better I want my pay to be, and it is my responsibility to ensure that. I do not want my salary dictated to me where some lazy chick in the next office is making the same as me, when I am working hard and taking pride in what I do.

Salary equality means the equal opportunity to go after the same cash. If I cant negotiate as well as the guy or girl making more than me, then I should ask them for lessons in negotiating, not b***h that I want someone to fix it for me.

Assuming that someone else should set in and fix it for me is almost anti-feminism. I can do it myself, damnit. Don't insult me or condescend to me by suggesting I need someone to fix this for me.
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